[MidnightDraven]

I used to have "phantom" vibrates on my Nokia. No, it was never vibrating, I just got used to the possiblity of it doing it, that I thought it was. lol

The softer the vibrate the less sound their actually would be placed on a desk; but regardless of the fact the vibrate is "loud" on the desk, I find it no worse than other phones ive had. Perhaps the BB's had better vibrates than all the others phones and so people with a bold now think it is weak; but in my experience my 2 motorolas, 2 nokias, and a sony ericsson had the same vibrate as my bold currently does and they are all quite noticable when in a pocket, in a charging pod, on a desk.

I simply wonder if its a difference between america/canadian models and those in the UK and/or Europe...