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04-05-2009, 04:47 PM
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of course they wont redesign each os from the ground up.... thats just a waste of time
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04-05-2009, 04:47 PM
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blackberry os is blackberry os....they do not have blackberry storm os and blackberry bold os....it is the same OS....they added a layer between the hardware that supports the hardware that is different, but the OS itself is the same...however, there is also a UI layer that abstracts from the OS for device differences such as from the Storm to the Bold...in the case of the 9500 and 9530 it is probably all in the hardware layer that any changes exist...the UI layer is the same...and so is the internal layer..
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04-05-2009, 04:48 PM
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of course they wont redesign each os from the ground up.... thats just a waste of time
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04-05-2009, 04:48 PM
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or at what point do the operating systems differ? and how do they tell them apart?
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04-05-2009, 05:05 PM
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basically the UI is just a theme...the OS is BB OS...and the true firmware is the hardware abstraction layer that is varying from device to device because of the different microprocessors and other hardware components...
even this blackberry forum calls it the same OS...it's called the Research in Motion Operating System...but i think that is a misnomer...it's really BlackBerry although RIM and BB are almost synonymous...
basically, tell me what other mobile operating systems exist besides the following:
Symbian
Windows Mobile
BlackBerry
iPhone
Android
because there is only one version of BB OS that i know of
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04-05-2009, 05:12 PM
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04-05-2009, 05:17 PM
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04-05-2009, 05:17 PM
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all useful stuff to learn about why the BB Storm is a computer
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04-05-2009, 07:41 PM
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basically the UI is just a theme...the OS is BB OS...and the true firmware is the hardware abstraction layer that is varying from device to device because of the different microprocessors and other hardware components...
even this blackberry forum calls it the same OS...it's called the Research in Motion Operating System...but i think that is a misnomer...it's really BlackBerry although RIM and BB are almost synonymous...
basically, tell me what other mobile operating systems exist besides the following:
Symbian
Windows Mobile
BlackBerry
iPhone
Android
because there is only one version of BB OS that i know of
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Jason I don't know what makes you so certain to the point of being hostile about your opinion but I have to agree with the other posters and say that you are mistaken. Just because RIM named both phones Storm doesn't mean the operating systems are identical, they are not because the hardware is different. Lets take an earlier model BB as an example like the 8800 series you cannot load an 8830 OS onto an 8820 just like you cannot load a 9530 OS onto a 9500. For one the apploader won't load it and if you did get it loaded the phone would not function properly. Yes the OS's are similar and developed along the same lines but they diverge in the radio module code which is the core of the OS.
You are arguing that the OS is Blackberry when RIM uses OS to differentiate the firmware for each device. The problem with your argument is that you told the OP he could load a 9500 OS onto a 9530 and as you were told and disagreed with you can't do that.
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04-05-2009, 07:49 PM
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Hey what's good BB people???
I have a question that I will like to know right away!!! Which software is the best for the STORM .109 , .113 , .114, or .161 I read many threads that people say one is good and the other one is good so I don't know which is the best and What's the website that I can go for download this Software???? Also there is any website that we can get free themes for Storm???
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The first answer you got is probably the best answer. Personally I like .113 beta which is much better than the official .75 release. On my phone it is stable, faster and much more user friendly than .75. The latest rumors are that Verizon is going to release .113 as official. The highest number beta leaked to the general public is .114 but the build number for .113 indicate it is a newer version than .114 and .114 has many reported problems. |
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04-07-2009, 07:36 AM
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04-07-2009, 08:29 AM
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blackberry os is blackberry os....they do not have blackberry storm os and blackberry bold os....it is the same OS....
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Could you please prove this by loading the Storm's OS on the Bold and vice versa? If not, please stop posting this nonsense.
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04-07-2009, 09:35 AM
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you are arguing semantics of language. not real life use of the device. In the real world I cannot load a bb bold os no matter what the firmware number on my bb storm. because it is not made for the storm. does not matter where the base os differs between the bold and storm. In all real aspects of use it is a different os. I also cannot load a gsm storm os on my cdma storm. because in the real world the cdma storm won't let me load it. Because it is functionally different from a gsm storm.
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04-07-2009, 09:36 AM
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Jason,
Really, Please listen to the words you've been given from some of the top and most reputable providors to this forum, the O/S's are different, fact.
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04-07-2009, 10:45 AM
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You are arguing that the OS is Blackberry when RIM uses OS to differentiate the firmware for each device. The problem with your argument is that you told the OP he could load a 9500 OS onto a 9530 and as you were told and disagreed with you can't do that.
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The terms OS, firmware, and platform are getting thrown around way to easily.
The OS is the same, but the interface between the hardware and the OS is different per device. This is what is normally referred to as firmware in most computing environments, but also can include device drivers. In the case of the BlackBerry OS, RIM is choosing the specific components for each particular device such as the "device drivers" to allow the phone to work on that hardware, but the underlying OS is the same. The UI is also being cherry picked per device because some devices support the touch screen and others do not. The UI itself is very malleable because this is how themes are worked into the OS. By cherry picking what gets added or not to the latest version of their OS, RIM is making sure that the amount of space used by their OS is minimal.
With respect to the 9530 and 9500 model differences, the underlying OS is the same and the UI should also be the same, but the device drivers that connect the abstracted layer of the OS to the actual hardware are varying because of the hardware components of the CDMA and GSM networks. This appears to be occurring at the device selection stage of the OS upgrade/install. Even though the hardware is different and the hardware layer is different on the actual phones themselves, the underlying OS is the same and both hardware layers exist but are chosen per device to minimize storage space of all the driver programs for each hardware model. RIM only makes one operating system that is referred to as the RIM or BlackBerry OS, or the RIM or BlackBerry platform and there is no reason that they would want to waste precious application memory on each device with the device driver programs for other devices.
The question that should be focused upon is what the different version numbers indicate. There are four key numbers that distinguish each device's corresponding software. There is the number referred to as the "OS version" number by everyone on almost all threads on all forums, blogs, and websites, however, this naming might be incorrectly perpetuated. There is also a platform, cryptographic kernel, and branding version number. The cryptographic kernel appears to be the device's encryption kernel while the platform and OS number refer to other components of the software and firmware. I compared the version numbers for both the 9530 and 9500 for the same "OS number" release and they are a perfect match. The branding version appears at first glance to indicate the hardware device but some device models have different branding numbers. This could be a way to distinguish product lines of the actual hardware fabrication such as a newer motherboard and microchip or a newer radio antenna etc. Because of the use of the word "branding" it also indicates to me the possibility of it being used by various carriers and other branding level entities that would want to be distinguished from other "brands" for the same model phone, but I found a contradiction on that last idea when I stumbled across someone with friends who have different branding version numbers, but similar carriers and I assumed similar physical locations on their same model of phone. |
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04-07-2009, 11:08 AM
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Jason, this is a community forum. You have been warned before about your rants. If you want to rant, take it to the Rants and Raves section of this forum where it is welcome. Otherwise, most of what you post is pure threadcrapping, intended to take each and every thread offtopic to your lala land, and I am tired of it.
If you want to come and help out here AND be a part of community, you are welcome.
Quit arguing with every single thing posted here, and I am betting you will find in return that others won't nitpick you.
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04-07-2009, 01:27 PM
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so other people with 9530's, what is the best performing version of the OS at present? has anybody ran any benchmarks to find out? i have only compared my 9530's 4.7.0.75 to my 7130e using a benchmark program i got a long time ago on my 7130e...
are there enough people out there reading this thread that have 9530's with different OS versions that could run a benchmark to tell if the performance is better or worse per each OS version? could we start such a thread or has anybody already started such a thread?
(besides this old thread that i found: http://www.blackberryforums.com/gene...ts-here-7.html ) |
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04-07-2009, 01:32 PM
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.113 for verizon storm is much better for me than .75 which came stock on the storm. .113 rotates faster and it has a new text selection copy and paste function that is better than .75
It just seems overall snappier. if that is a correct term for bb. because up until now all bb's were snappy. only with storm do I feel it is not really fast.
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04-07-2009, 01:46 PM
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have you tried to benchmark your 9530? it'd be cool to see a comparison of .113 and .75's side by side
follow that link and get the software and run the benchmark...tell me your numbers and i'll post mine when i get back
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