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09-14-2004, 08:25 PM
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BlackberryOS 4.0 confirmed to support subset of MIDP 2.0.
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BlackberryOS 4.0 is now confirmed to support a subset of MIDP 2.0;
Here's a good source code example of a MIDP 2.0 videogame, for you J2ME developers interested in writing a videogame that works on MIDP 2.0 cellphones:
http://www.microjava.com/articles/techtalk/midp2_games
Also hoping that at least some of the games at http://www.mobu.com may actually be able to run on my BlackBerry, once 4.0 is already deployed and the people at mobu.com notices them;
Also, JBenchmark.com MIDP 2.0 benchmark software works most of the way, completing 4 out of 5 tests on my 7280 running 4.0.0.124 before crashing. Also, JBenchmark.com MIDP 1.0 apparently reports my device has the MIDP 2.0 profile. You can download JBenchmark OTA at http://wap.jbenchmark.com
[Edited with new information; Based on my experiences with BlackBerryOS 4.0.0.124]
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09-14-2004, 09:22 PM
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Where did you get that OS 4.0 supports MIDP 2.0? I don't know for sure but from what I have seen in the RIM JDE 4.0 there is still no full support for MIDP 2.0. Realistically ( minus gaming ) the blackberry platform already had most of the MIDP 2.0 stuff available ( or at least it was possible ). If you asked me the JSRs for MIDP 2.0 tryed to duplicate what blackberry already offered ( again minus the games ).
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09-14-2004, 09:27 PM
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Some research on the Internet indicated upcoming support for MIDP 2.0, such as:
http://www.blackberry.com/developers...mp;thread=2916
I will now edit my post to indicate it is a rumor.
Can anybody else confirm if the final 4.0 release will include MIDP 2.0?
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09-14-2004, 09:40 PM
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Yes MIDP 2.0 has a gaming api that I don't think RIM supports. Just making sure I didn't miss anything. Thx.
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09-14-2004, 09:41 PM
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BrickBreaker 4.0 with Arkanoid-style background graphics on my handheld seems to have fast graphics that runs at 30 frames per second, and runs faster than my old handheld. It's almost as if it is using a gaming API now?
But if you are right and it is not yet supported, then obviously it will happen eventually. Charm 7100t should probably support gaming API's due to its marketing to consumers. Eventually, RIM is going to have to support gaming API's, including MIDP 2.0 -- whether they like it or not. Us enterprise customers don't need gaming, but us consumers do want gaming! RIM can just make it a configurable security option; enable/disable MIDP 2.0, enable/disable gaming API, etc. To allow corporations some control over gaming in corporate use. They can make it a marketing feature -- "we now support gaming in all prosumer-purchased Blackberries; but we also allow administrators to turn off ability to run videogames for security, battery-life, and office productivity reasons"
Although the BlackBerry CPU is relatively slow, it is not too slow to support gaming, considering what www.magmic.com accomplished, and what BrickBreaker 4.0 has accomplished;
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09-14-2004, 09:46 PM
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That has been around since 3.7. Just not released part of the general upgrade. Not 100% so I'll look into it, but my first guess is that no it doesn't fully support MIDP 2.0.
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You sure the unreleased 3.7 BrickBreaker looks the same as BrickBreaker 4.0? The BrickBreaker 4.0 looked better than the publicly released BrickBreaker in OS 3.7 with faster graphics, smoother framerate, and more graphics, animated brick explosions, full screen flashes, and more prominent animations than the publicly released BrickBreaker in OS 3.7. And, there is no background graphics in the publicly released BrickBreaker in OS 3.7....
Although, some argue playability of BrickBreaker in OS 3.7 is better :D
In either case, is a subset of MIDP 2.0 supported?
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09-14-2004, 09:53 PM
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use: javaloader -u dir then find:
net_rim_device_apps_games_brickbreaker
to see what real version you are using. I am running 0.9 and there is no lag.
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09-14-2004, 09:53 PM
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Completely off topic -- Mark, I can't help myslef -- Brickbreaker 3.7 has MUCH better playability features. No comparison at all. However, you are correct that Brickbreaker 4.0 is INCREDIBLY more advanced from a visual/graphics point of view. Just my $0.02.
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The BrickBreaker I am using is Version 4.0 rather than Version 0.9. Here's the contents of my BlackberryOS 4.0 device:
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net_rim_platform_resource__en_US 4.0.0.100 2004 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;15xxx58;43 2004
net_rim_platform_im_resource__en_US 4.0.0.100 1536 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;15xxx58;35 2004
net_rim_app_manager 4.0.0.100 1644 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;15xxx58;45 2004
net_rim_app_manager_console 4.0.0.100 3192 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;15xxx58;47 2004
net_rim_cldc 4.0.0.100 810156 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;14xxx58;15 2004
net_rim_font_system 4.0.0.100 47368 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;15xxx58;25 2004
net_rim_platform_resource 4.0.0.100 11252 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;15xxx58;37 2004
net_rim_platform_resource__en 4.0.0.100 13196 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;15xxx58;40 2004
net_rim_platform_im_resource 4.0.0.100 29836 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;15xxx58;30 2004
net_rim_platform_im_resource__en 4.0.0.100 3328 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;15xxx58;33 2004
net_rim_platformapps_resource 4.0.0.100 3176 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;21xxx58;06 2004
net_rim_platformapps_resource__en 4.0.0.100 54812 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;21xxx58;09 2004
net_rim_services_impl 4.0.0.100 13796 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;17xxx58;12 2004
net_rim_bb_addressbook 4.0.0.100 12236 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;18xxx58;49 2004
net_rim_bb_browser 4.0.0.100 1852 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;19xxx58;30 2004
net_rim_bb_framework_api 4.0.0.100 118444 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;18xxx58;23 2004
net_rim_bb_messaging 4.0.0.100 55084 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;19xxx58;00 2004
net_rim_bb_messaging_app 4.0.0.100 11988 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;20xxx58;15 2004
net_rim_bb_models 4.0.0.100 24116 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;19xxx58;14 2004
net_rim_bb_options 4.0.0.100 6292 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;18xxx58;40 2004
net_rim_bb_options_app 4.0.0.100 79332 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;20xxx58;23 2004
net_rim_bb_phone_model 4.0.0.100 45884 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;19xxx58;23 2004
net_rim_bb_phone_resource 4.0.0.100 3564 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;19xxx58;20 2004
net_rim_bb_profiles_app 4.0.0.100 3508 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;21xxx58;00 2004
net_rim_bb_profiles_lib 4.0.0.100 31708 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;20xxx58;02 2004
net_rim_bb_quickcontact 4.0.0.100 14504 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;18xxx58;54 2004
net_rim_bb_ribbon_lib 4.0.0.100 9052 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;21xxx58;12 2004
net_rim_bb_search 4.0.0.100 6764 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;18xxx58;46 2004
net_rim_bb_voice 4.0.0.100 12392 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;19xxx58;10 2004
net_rim_escreen_common 4.0.0.100 34964 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;15xxx58;59 2004
net_rim_escreen_app 4.0.0.100 5992 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;15xxx58;55 2004
net_rim_escreen_gprs 4.0.0.100 32852 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;16xxx58;11 2004
net_rim_bb_sms 4.0.0.100 51340 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;19xxx58;34 2004
net_rim_ecmascript 4.0.0.100 170136 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;31xxx58;55 2004
net_rim_ecmascript_resource 4.0.0.100 1696 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;32xxx58;10 2004
net_rim_ecmascript_resource__en 4.0.0.100 5100 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;32xxx58;13 2004
net_rim_ecmascript_regexp 4.0.0.100 25504 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;31xxx58;46 2004
net_rim_os 4.0.0.100 406820 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;38xxx58;29 2004
net_rim_wap 4.0.0.100 64832 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;40xxx58;54 2004
net_rim_event_log_viewer_app 4.0.0.100 12096 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;41xxx58;41 2004
net_rim_io_contentstore 4.0.0.100 49620 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;41xxx58;45 2004
net_rim_cldc_io_rim_impl 4.0.0.100 57388 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;40xxx58;26 2004
net_rim_runtime_resource 4.0.0.100 3320 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;39xxx58;06 2004
net_rim_runtime_resource__en 4.0.0.100 11488 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;39xxx58;09 2004
net_rim_bb_activation 4.0.0.100 34844 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;46xxx58;26 2004
net_rim_bb_addressbook_app 4.0.0.100 77668 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;46xxx58;34 2004
net_rim_bb_addressbook_gal 4.0.0.100 24104 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;42xxx58;21 2004
net_rim_bb_addressbook_models 4.0.0.100 12536 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;42xxx58;03 2004
net_rim_bb_addressbook_groupaddress 4.0.0.100 14880 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;46xxx58;43 2004
net_rim_bb_alarm_app 4.0.0.100 14936 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;46xxx58;58 2004
net_rim_bb_browser_push 4.0.0.100 20352 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;44xxx58;08 2004
net_rim_bb_calendar 4.0.0.100 20876 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;42xxx58;54 2004
net_rim_bb_calendar_app 4.0.0.100 74692 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;48xxx58;07 2004
net_rim_bb_calendar_lib 4.0.0.100 70532 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;43xxx58;05 2004
net_rim_bb_calendar_ota 4.0.0.100 53916 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;46xxx58;18 2004
net_rim_bb_email 4.0.0.100 211180 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;42xxx58;31 2004
net_rim_bb_profiles_tunes 4.0.0.100 13360 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;51xxx58;39 2004
net_rim_bb_reminderdeeptimer 4.0.0.100 2128 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;51xxx58;56 2004
net_rim_bb_remindermanager 4.0.0.100 19928 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;43xxx58;00 2004
net_rim_bb_ribbon_app 4.0.0.100 103340 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;52xxx58;12 2004
net_rim_bb_messagesearch_lib 4.0.0.100 41808 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;48xxx58;30 2004
net_rim_bb_sync_ota 4.0.0.100 2936 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;42xxx58;52 2004
net_rim_bb_transmission_api 4.0.0.100 15644 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;42xxx58;10 2004
net_rim_bb_transmission_cmime 4.0.0.100 39616 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;42xxx58;15 2004
net_rim_bb_itadmin 4.0.0.100 8488 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;51xxx58;08 2004
net_rim_bb_applicationdelivery 4.0.0.100 10984 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;47xxx58;02 2004
net_rim_bb_resource 4.0.0.100 7840 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;52xxx58;01 2004
net_rim_bb_resource__en 4.0.0.100 43404 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;52xxx58;05 2004
net_rim_cldc_io_tcp 4.0.0.100 52956 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;40xxx58;34 2004
net_rim_tcp_options 4.0.0.100 2804 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;52xxx58;48 2004
net_rim_bb_addressbook_simapp 4.0.0.100 36852 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;46xxx58;48 2004
net_rim_bb_globalsearch_app 4.0.0.100 11516 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;48xxx58;38 2004
net_rim_serialformats 4.0.0.100 41784 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;43xxx58;32 2004
MIDPRootCerts 4.0.0.100 4056 Wed Aug 04 12xxx58;12xxx58;20 2004
net_rim_bb_ribbon_skin_svg 4.0.0.100 8428 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;50xxx58;57 2004
net_rim_bb_contentinjector 4.0.0.100 7312 Wed Aug 04 12xxx58;17xxx58;32 2004
net_rim_bb_explorer_picture 4.0.0.100 7284 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;48xxx58;25 2004
net_rim_bb_explorer_resource 4.0.0.100 1696 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;48xxx58;20 2004
net_rim_bb_explorer_resource__en 4.0.0.100 2040 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;48xxx58;23 2004
net_rim_font_millbank 4.0.0.100 83060 Wed Aug 04 12xxx58;12xxx58;02 2004
net_rim_plazmic_math 4.0.0.100 2792 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;16xxx58;31 2004
net_rim_plazmic_mediaengine 4.0.0.100 54980 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;39xxx58;46 2004
net_rim_plazmic_mediaengine_pme02 4.0.0.100 24812 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;57xxx58;41 2004
net_rim_plazmic_mediaengine_pme10 4.0.0.100 55120 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;57xxx58;46 2004
net_rim_plazmic_mediaengine_bundle 4.0.0.100 4948 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;57xxx58;38 2004
net_rim_bb_standardcalculator_app 4.0.0.100 16600 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;52xxx58;35 2004
net_rim_font_european_sff 4.0.0.100 78356 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;38xxx58;55 2004
net_rim_font_european_shared 4.0.0.100 19760 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;38xxx58;57 2004
net_rim_bb_idlescreen_app 4.0.0.100 11576 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;51xxx58;03 2004
net_rim_device_api_games 4.0.0.100 6632 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;45xxx58;57 2004
net_rim_theme_blackberry 4.0.0.100 348860 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;55xxx58;10 2004
net_rim_bbapi_mailv2 4.0.0.100 39344 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;43xxx58;39 2004
net_rim_bbapi_mail 4.0.0.100 1656 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;45xxx58;34 2004
net_rim_bbapi_menuitem 4.0.0.100 5476 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;45xxx58;41 2004
net_rim_bbapi_pim 4.0.0.100 64716 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;45xxx58;21 2004
net_rim_bbapi_pim_todo 4.0.0.100 8364 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;45xxx58;46 2004
net_rim_pdap 4.0.0.100 64472 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;43xxx58;51 2004
net_rim_pdap_resources 4.0.0.100 1232 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;43xxx58;47 2004
net_rim_pdap_todo 4.0.0.100 8616 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;44xxx58;02 2004
net_rim_bbapi_pim_res 4.0.0.100 1920 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;45xxx58;52 2004
net_rim_bbapi_pim_res__en 4.0.0.100 2508 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;45xxx58;54 2004
net_rim_bbapi_options 4.0.0.100 2520 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;45xxx58;44 2004
net_rim_bbapi_browser 4.0.0.100 4092 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;45xxx58;15 2004
net_rim_bbapi_phone 4.0.0.100 9452 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;45xxx58;37 2004
net_rim_bbapi_invoke 4.0.0.100 4136 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;58xxx58;05 2004
net_rim_crypto_resource 4.0.0.100 2792 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;38xxx58;59 2004
net_rim_crypto_resource__en 4.0.0.100 15436 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;39xxx58;02 2004
net_rim_crypto_1 4.0.0.100 248032 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;41xxx58;20 2004
net_rim_crypto_2 4.0.0.100 135792 Wed Aug 04 12xxx58;12xxx58;30 2004
net_rim_bb_crypto_api 4.0.0.100 14272 Wed Aug 04 12xxx58;38xxx58;23 2004
net_rim_bb_crypto_resource 4.0.0.100 2348 Wed Aug 04 12xxx58;40xxx58;09 2004
net_rim_bb_crypto_resource__en 4.0.0.100 6560 Wed Aug 04 12xxx58;40xxx58;20 2004
net_rim_crypto_keystore_browser 4.0.0.100 22888 Wed Aug 04 12xxx58;38xxx58;34 2004
net_rim_crypto_keystore_browser_certificate 4.0.0.100 6204 Wed Aug 04 12xxx58;38xxx58;40 2004
net_rim_xml 4.0.0.100 74480 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;41xxx58;55 2004
net_rim_device_apps_games_brickbreaker 4.0.0.100 33800 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;46xxx58;00 2004
brickbreaker240X160resources 4.0.0.100 15252 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;46xxx58;06 2004
net_rim_bb_browser_rendering_lib 4.0.0.100 325128 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;44xxx58;27 2004
net_rim_bb_browser_lib 4.0.0.100 313664 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;44xxx58;53 2004
net_rim_bb_browser_daemon 4.0.0.100 3876 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;47xxx58;06 2004
net_rim_bb_browser_field_api 4.0.0.100 7952 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;44xxx58;17 2004
net_rim_loader 4.0.0.100 135424 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;32xxx58;29 2004
net_rim_bb_browser_lib_large 4.0.0.100 13984 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;47xxx58;49 2004
net_rim_bb_browser_lib_large_color 4.0.0.100 35612 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;47xxx58;54 2004
net_rim_bb_browser_plugin_security 4.0.0.100 5516 Wed Aug 04 12xxx58;38xxx58;30 2004
net_rim_bb_browser_javascript 4.0.0.100 38532 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;47xxx58;42 2004
net_rim_bb_attachment 4.0.0.100 5072 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;42xxx58;48 2004
net_rim_bb_docview 4.0.0.100 148800 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;43xxx58;18 2004
net_rim_bb_docviewimage 4.0.0.100 11512 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;48xxx58;16 2004
net_rim_bb_memo_app 4.0.0.100 17332 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;51xxx58;11 2004
net_rim_bb_passwordkeeper 4.0.0.100 25244 Wed Aug 04 12xxx58;39xxx58;27 2004
net_rim_bb_passwordkeeper_resource 4.0.0.100 1744 Wed Aug 04 12xxx58;39xxx58;38 2004
net_rim_bb_passwordkeeper_resource__en 4.0.0.100 3500 Wed Aug 04 12xxx58;39xxx58;48 2004
net_rim_bb_task 4.0.0.100 2288 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;43xxx58;59 2004
net_rim_bb_task_app 4.0.0.100 35480 Wed Aug 04 11xxx58;52xxx58;40 2004
TelnetSSH 1.2.15 90600 Fri Aug 13 10xxx58;50xxx58;53 2004
WebViewerCorporate 3.5 51664 Mon Apr 05 10xxx58;47xxx58;06 2004
Webmessenger 2.2.0426 114100 Mon Apr 26 23xxx58;34xxx58;09 2004
WM_Protocol 2.2.0426 48592 Mon Apr 26 23xxx58;34xxx58;29 2004
WM_Common_Files 2.2.0426 67172 Mon Apr 26 23xxx58;33xxx58;31 2004
WM_Common_Files_2 2.2.0426 94428 Mon Apr 26 23xxx58;33xxx58;40 2004
WM_Data 2.2.0426 89636 Mon Apr 26 23xxx58;33xxx58;22 2004
WM_Chat 2.2.0426 35616 Mon Apr 26 23xxx58;34xxx58;37 2004
WM_WED 2.2.0426 55240 Mon Apr 26 23xxx58;34xxx58;58 2004
WM_LogStore2 2.2.0426 5468 Mon Apr 26 23xxx58;34xxx58;53 2004
IPRelayClient 1.0 27812 Mon Aug 23 10xxx58;23xxx58;00 2004
VNCen 3.0.4 42576 Tue May 18 12xxx58;31xxx58;52 2004
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147 modules; 6839304 bytes total
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09-14-2004, 10:04 PM
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Yes they re-version to match the release version. You are probably using the official beta release version. I am using the RIM internal version. I'll see what I can find out. After that article in the g&m I guess inquiring minds would like to know. :D
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09-14-2004, 10:44 PM
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G&M -- You mean Globe & Mail?
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09-15-2004, 06:53 AM
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Yes.
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09-21-2004, 08:05 PM
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Just looked at the 4.0 javadocs and yes the blackberry supports MIDP 2.0 gaming (i.e. javax.microedition.lcdui.game), but not some of the other packages.
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Got it. So Blackberry supports a subset of MIDP 2.0 then.
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09-28-2004, 02:11 AM
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I just did tests of JBenchmark MIDP 2.0 and 4 of the tests work successfully, then it crashed on the 5th test.
JBenchmark MIDP 1.0 reports that my BlackBerry has the MIDP 2.0 profile;
OTA download at http://wap.jbenchmark.com
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09-29-2004, 09:03 AM
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BlackBerry 4.0 OS, Java APIs
Hi Folks!
I read some of you read BlackBerry 4.0 OS, Java APIs
is it public ?
where can I get it?
many thanks
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09-29-2004, 09:33 AM
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Not quite yet... It should be out late this year or early next.
A few of us have it already, mainly insiders and of big companies testing BlackBerryOS 4.0, many (but not all) of whom who have signed NDA's
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10-15-2004, 12:30 PM
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Mark,
Do you know whether the new OS supports JSR-82 as part of MIDP 2.0? JSR-82 allows MIDlets to use Bluetooth.
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10-15-2004, 01:22 PM
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JSR-82 is not a MIDP 2.0 requirement, but an addon to the MIDP 2.0 specs. The 4.0 API does not support JSR-82.
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