[Baldie]

Brent...if you want HTML emails on a BB get BBsmart or Empower pro. I to would love a BB or a smartphone for that matter with laptop abilities and properties but you won't find it, at least not now. If you want a top notch browser then you want the iphone, and no one will probably argue with that. You don't know whats so hyped up about the emailing capabilities of the BB? How bout the push technology that BB has. I've used other carriers and other smartphones and none of those phones were close to the speed of emails to a BB.

As far as battery life I've gone about 2 days without having to charge my battery. But this is only when I haven't used the mp3 player or watched a movie for a couple hours straight. I'm not sure if its worth getting the extended battery from seido.

[Fled]

Originally Posted by Brent212

It's funny that you are calling me immature, when all I've tried to do is get an intelligent discussion going on regarding the things that I find wrong with the 8130 (although I can't say I've succeeded in getting any responses that sound like they haven't been somewhat offended by me commenting on these things... actually markhutchison's response was pretty good), and then in the next sentence say something like this. So I want more powerful emailing functions than those that I've found on my BB, and the problem is that email is not my strongsuit. Makes a lot of sense.

If I do decide to keep the BB, and a month or year from now someone comes on here saying that they wished the BB email provided a way to view emails in more than just plain text, I'd like to think that I'd just say, "yeah, that sucks, hopefully RIM will put out an update to add that feature". Something like that. I wouldn't accuse the person of wanting too much, or tell them that email just isn't their "strongsuit". Actually, I probably wouldn't respond at all unless I knew of some sort of workaround, or knew of an update coming up that may resolve it, or had a suggestion for another phone. Then maybe I'd say why I prefer the BB over that phone, in an attempt to help the person make a decision.

Hey Brent, as a long time BB user, I understood you comments perfectly and didn't take them as a rant at all. I'm not sure why others had such a problem with your comments.

I love my BB, and couldn't picture myself using any other type device. Give it a little more time (I remember waffling back and forth between a BB and a Treo at one time myself).

[JSanders]

Originally Posted by Fled

Hey Brent, as a long time BB user, I understood you comments perfectly and didn't take them as a rant at all. I'm not sure why others had such a problem with your comments.

You think all his comments are inline, correct and not a rant?

That says a lot about you.

[mizditz101]

Originally Posted by Brent212

1) MMS issues. It doesn't receive 70-80% of the picture messages people send me -- at least with with three friends' phones that I've been using for testing this -- two on AT&T and one on Verizon. Actually, with 1 of the AT&T phones, I can't get any MMS messages to reach the 8130, and that phone sends them fine to the other two phones. I'll send 3 messages from one of the other phones in about a 5 minute time period, all with the same picture, and I'm lucky if the 8130 receives one of them. I also tried just emailing a picture from a phone with email capability, and when the 8130 received it, it said the picture was an "Unknown attachment" and wouldn't let me open it. When I opened the email on my Windows computer to see if there really was a problem with the email, the image file was fine, and even had a .jpg extension. And to send an MMS, you have to do the workaround email to <number>@<carrier_domain> thing, which sucks because I've heard it doesn't always work (some people say it just doesn't work, although I have gotten it to work to the AT&T phones) and you need to know the carrier for the person you're sending to, which isn't horrible, but it's inconvenient.

Is not just a sprint thing. My tmo 8100 does it, as does my dad's curve.
I've been told by the Blackberry specialists on tmobiles CS line that is is more of a blackberry than anything else. I can't remember what she said, but it's like blackberrys don't talk to the towers right as far as MMS goes, and it's hit or miss, no matter WHO sends the picture.
So if that's a big enough issue, then yes that alone is grounds for returning it in your case. It bugs me, but I've been told it's getting "worked on diligently" so I sit and wait.. I don't get that many picture messages anyway because I've told people I have this problem.
Even from another PEARL I have this problem which I found odd, but eh

Some of the other issues (battery life) are a little stronger on CDMA carriers than GSM.. so I can't say much about those. My battery lasts over 20hours with all my calls and stuff usually, so I've never noticed a problem. I've actually gained MORE talk/use time with this phone than "dumbphones" in my past.

The low battery LED is annoying, I give you that! I keep thinking its a text message when it's not lol.

And I have also heard HTML viewing is coming, so my fingers are kinda crossed for that as well

[JSanders]

mizditz, don't let your battery get that low (often). It is just not good for the battery to be drained below 15% everyday... it will hurt the this kind of Lithium-Ion battery.

[mizditz101]

I don't, I charge it nightly regardless of where it's at (usually 50-60% when I plug it in)
I was just stating that if I was without a charger... I can go about 20 hours on it even with using it normally :P

Right now actually it's been off the charger since 10am.. 12 hours later I'm at 80%.. haha wow

[Brent212]

How did this thread get revived?

Originally Posted by Baldie

I to would love a BB or a smartphone for that matter with laptop abilities and properties but you won't find it, at least not now. If you want a top notch browser then you want the iphone, and no one will probably argue with that.

I don't know, I actually did break down and get the Mogul, and I gotta tell ya, I think it resolved all my issues originally posted except the MMS one. Also, not sure why people in this thread keep mentioning laptop functionality... do a quick ctrl-F and see if laptop comes up anywhere in my original post. The only thing I wanted that it sounds like most of you think is preposterous is a more functional browser. The one on the Mogul is pretty much exactly what I was expecting... not sure what the iphone browser could do that this can't, but the lack of 3G and high price tag are two of the main reasons (there are a few more) that I didn't ever consider the iphone.

Originally Posted by Baldie

You don't know whats so hyped up about the emailing capabilities of the BB? How bout the push technology that BB has. I've used other carriers and other smartphones and none of those phones were close to the speed of emails to a BB.

Okay, I guess the guy who said email is not my strong suit or whatever was correct, because the push technology really wasn't that impressive to me. I haven't done any research, but I would think that any Windows Mobile phone has push as well, or is it built into the hardware? Although I think, at least with the Mogul, it only works with hotmail or windows "live" accounts... so maybe that's not all that useful, although it also might work with email you setup through your work using the Outlook ("exchange"?) client... I haven't really looked into it, since I made a switch from hotmail to gmail and don't have any desire to get work email while I'm not at work (although we do use Outlook at work, so it might mesh well with the Mogul). As long as I can see what emails I've received on my gmail accounts when I go to check them, that's fine with me. I can set it up to check every 5 minutes if I want. And the Mogul's email client is pretty awesome, IMO. I can see all the folders on my accounts, emails are formatted how I'd expect them to be... it's basically like using a mini version of Outlook Express.

Originally Posted by Fled

Hey Brent, as a long time BB user, I understood you comments perfectly and didn't take them as a rant at all. I'm not sure why others had such a problem with your comments.

Thanks, Fled. I'm not sure what made my comments qualify as a rant either... apparently any review of a BlackBerry is considered a rant on this board (CNET has so many rants, look out!) unless it resembles an advertisement for the device. Apparently the use of the word "sucks" automatically makes a post immature, although I consider anyone who can't handle such tame language a little immature... or at least a little naive and sheltered... ever left the house, buddy? Not sure how you could survive in the real world if you can't handle someone describing something as "sucking". Try replacing "sucks" with "is not good". Feel better? Funny how a word can be taken for more than just what it means.

Anyway, back to the "rant". Maybe I didn't emphasize the things I liked about the BB. I guess that was because the point of the post was for me to compile a list of things I didn't like about it, and see if anyone could convince me that these weaknesses (in my eyes) weren't so bad, or that there were solutions that I didn't know about. I'm not going to go into details now, but I did LOVE a lot of things about it. The phone itself was perfectly sized, I loved the keys and trackball, and the buttons on the side were super convenient. Plus, I liked how customizable a lot of the functionality was.

Originally Posted by JSanders

You think all his comments are inline, correct and not a rant?

That says a lot about you.

Oh man... classic post by this guy. So typical.

Can you find one incorrect statement in my original post that isn't an opinion? After a quick re-read, the only thing I caught was "And to send an MMS, you have to do the workaround email to <number>@<carrier_domain> thing". I should have stated that as far as I know this is true, but it was stated in a way that made it sound like fact. It very well could be false. Sorry for that. No wonder it's a rant... Lies and misleading accusations everywhere!!

[JSanders]

Yep, very immature, a sort of a junior high thing. I guess I just don't avail myself to the high culture you "hang" with.

Enjoy your Mogul!

[Sith_Apprentice]

so out of 18,259 posts (and counting) how would one determine what a "classic" post would be

[Thatzmister2u]

Originally Posted by Sith_Apprentice

so out of 18,259 posts (and counting) how would one determine what a "classic" post would be

Make that 18,260...

Enjoy your Mogul.

Peace I'm out!

E-

[Dawg]

18,262

[Fled]

Originally Posted by JSanders

You think all his comments are inline, correct and not a rant?

That says a lot about you.

I read his post as an honest, unbiased evaluation of a device that he didn't have a lot of experience with. I think this thread would have been much more useful if everyone had responded in a more helpful and respectful manner rather than immediately telling him to get another device and questioning his maturity level.

And you are correct, my thoughts and comments do say a lot about me - as do yours.

[Dawg]

Why not tell him to get another device he wasn't going to be happy with the BB. People responded with their opinions just as you did.

[DrewsBarnes]

WOW this thread can you say intense....

I think the guy ended up with a phone that he had one set of unrealistic expectations for. Some research in advance would have served a good investment.

If you are getting HTML email all day from a source like hotmail (or any other) then I really hope that you have an unlimited data plan.. whatever phone you use.... In Canada where there is yet to be truely unlimited data im glad there are no html emails... all my measly data would be used up in 4 emails...

Expecting true web browsing... if that were realistic again there is a data issue... a speed issue (some sites home pages are 2-3MB to load) and also you should have wondered that if true web browsing on a BB or smart phone was possible why does EVERYONE have wap versions of their sites.

Why you didn't come here and say I need a phone that does 1-10 will a BB do the job and what things can you tell me that could be issues that get on my nerves (the MMS drives me around the bend but again its the carrier) or for that matter talk to whoever sold you the BB. If they were worth their salt and you told them your priorities (and nobody should critize you for your priorities they can be whatever you want) then they would have immediately told you that a BB and the PEARL espically was not for you.

GL with everything

I'd love to have a phone that does everything as good as anything else but there is sometimes a difference between being hopeful and realistic and its not fair to judge any product on unreasonable and unrealistic expectations

[Fled]

Originally Posted by Dawg

Why not tell him to get another device he wasn't going to be happy with the BB. People responded with their opinions just as you did.

Why not tell him in a more respectful manner?

And personally, I'm not convinced he won't be happy with the BB. He never stated that he was unhappy with the device. He merely pointed out some of the aspects of the BB that he was unhappy with. I'm sure we all have issues with certain aspects of the BB.

I simply stated that I understood his comments and encouraged him to give the BB a chance, and I get "that says a lot about you comment."

[Rolo1971]

I am going to chime in......People need to research a product before they dive into purchasing it. Had this guy/gal done his research he would have found out this device did not do what he wanted it to do.

And having been a member for sometime now I am now seeing the nicest moderators become very frustrated and seeing the the worst brought out in them because of not so intelligent & immature posts from people who want their problems solved in a snap or just don't bother to do a search before they post the same question over and over again.

It's obvious that carriers are making it easier to purchase BB smart phones and people just don't understand what they are getting other than a cool looking device.

Rolo

[Fled]

Originally Posted by Rolo1971

I am going to chime in......People need to research a product before they dive into purchasing it. Had this guy/gal done his research he would have found out this device did not do what he wanted it to do.

Excellent point. It is nice to be able to research a product (in this case a BB device) prior to purchase. And where exactly is the best place to gather information about BB devices? A forum perhaps? Maybe a forum filled with honest and unbiased evaluations? Evaluations from users of all experience levels? Hmmmm...

You can research a product to death, but nothing beats a good hands-on evaluation. My take on Brent's comments is that that's where he is, and that now, based on this hands-on evaluation, he's shared his thoughts for others.

Based on his initial message and subsequent comments, I never took anything he said as a slam or rant against BB devices, and I'm a little confused as to why anyone would.

I guess that says a lot about me. *shrug*

[Rolo1971]

I only speak for myself but I don't buy products then go to forums stating the obvious and expect people to have a discussion on something we already know!
In this case, he bought a BB then came to this forum and stated the obvious and sounded a little frustrated.
I guess, I am sitting here thinking "how dumb some people are" but I am not going to because I am trying to have an intelligent discussion.


And it's best to research a product BEFORE you buy it NOT AFTER!
I also meant using the "SEARCH" button on this forum to answer any questions you may have.

[Fled]

Originally Posted by Rolo1971

I guess, I am sitting here thinking "how dumb some people are" but I am not going to because I am trying to have an intelligent discussion.

LOL You just did! ;)

[JSanders]

Oh, give it all a break, Fled.

The guy's original post was not a review, it was a rant. Read it again: this "sucks", that "sucks", can't do this, no html email, too much money for the data plan. It was not a review, and it was and is apparent the poster was unhappy with the device, as he said those matters were "deal breakers". They were not matters for which he asked help and so he was given the best advice available to many of us.

The fact the he was simply wrong about a few matters is minimal. The fact that he chose to stand so firm in his lack of knowledge says the "lot".

Besides, I just don't see the point of continuing this. He's gone, got his Mogul and fled, so to speak.

My opinion.