[stranger]

Is no one here concerned about the $399!!!! on a three year contract. Makes the iPhone a lot more appealling.

[mzcourtney]

Originally Posted by stranger

Is no one here concerned about the $399!!!! on a three year contract. Makes the iPhone a lot more appealling.

eh, not to me. for 1 this is just hear say. if its not on the rogers site its not official. 2ndly, its official that the bold will be a direct competitor to the iphone. so i'm sure rim has already thought of this. 3rdly, i'll pay the money for the better phone, hands down.

[carsmovies]

Originally Posted by Mikeypants

You have to remember that the Bold is being marketed towards business executives. (Based upon what RIM has said in the past and now in the present, the faux-leather battery door, all of the talk of executives and luxury in their promotional material, etc.) The Javelin will be for the masses.

Not disagreeing but RIM is stupid if they think that the masses don't need or want a 3g device but execs do. If anything it's the other way around. An exec is not streaming video or music and surfing. They are sending and receiving emails and they certainly don't need 3g for that. RIM needs to rethink it's marketing for the bold.

[Battery]

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Originally Posted by carsmovies

Not disagreeing but RIM is stupid if they think that the masses don't need or want a 3g device but execs do. If anything it's the other way around. An exec is not streaming video or music and surfing. They are sending and receiving emails and they certainly don't need 3g for that. RIM needs to rethink it's marketing for the bold.

They want 3G for receiving a email during a hour long conference call though.

[TheBigNewt]

Originally Posted by carsmovies

Not disagreeing but RIM is stupid if they think that the masses don't need or want a 3g device but execs do. If anything it's the other way around. An exec is not streaming video or music and surfing. They are sending and receiving emails and they certainly don't need 3g for that. RIM needs to rethink it's marketing for the bold.

Just look at the iPhone if you think 3G. Their market is mostly for "the masses" and their device will benefit from 3G more than a BB for a business email person (browsing is the iPhone's forte). Nobody really has to end a call to read an email message, they're never THAT urgent.

[carsmovies]

Originally Posted by TheBigNewt

Just look at the iPhone if you think 3G. Their market is mostly for "the masses" and their device will benefit from 3G more than a BB for a business email person (browsing is the iPhone's forte). Nobody really has to end a call to read an email message, they're never THAT urgent.

So you're saying you agree with me? Lol.

[KeyLoveMobile]

Originally Posted by carsmovies

To now get another bb device that's not 3g. Not for me.

Unless 3G radios double the price or the weight, or half the battery life, it makes no sense to release a device now without 3G. RIM already suffers from a perception of capability deficiency among the masses, why would you reinforce that by releasing a device that is actually capability deficient.

Originally Posted by Mikeypants

You have to remember that the Bold is being marketed towards business executives. The Javelin will be for the masses.

I'd say it's the other way around. Companies don't want to pay for 3G browsing or $400 per handset, so they'd go with the Javelin. Consumers who like toys are the ones who will pony-up for the Bold.

[carsmovies]

Originally Posted by KeyLoveMobile

Unless 3G radios double the price or the weight, or half the battery life, it makes no sense to release a device now without 3G. RIM already suffers from a perception of capability deficiency among the masses, why would you reinforce that by releasing a device that is actually capability deficient..

Why are you quoting me regarding this? I said that I wouldn't want to buy another bb device that doesn't have 3g.

[KeyLoveMobile]

Originally Posted by carsmovies

Why are you quoting me regarding this? I said that I wouldn't want to buy another bb device that doesn't have 3g.

I quoted you because I agree with you and wanted to reinforce the fact. Maybe I should've actually used the words "I agree", my bad.

[carsmovies]

Originally Posted by KeyLoveMobile

I quoted you because I agree with you and wanted to reinforce the fact. Maybe I should've actually used the words "I agree", my bad.

I thought so but wasn't sure. Lol.

[torberry]

Originally Posted by Battery

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They want 3G for receiving a email during a hour long conference call though.

We tend to conduct hour long conference calls from our landlines in the office ;)

This is of absolutely no value to me as a businessperson.

[Battery]

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Originally Posted by torberry

We tend to conduct hour long conference calls from our landlines in the office ;)

This is of absolutely no value to me as a businessperson.

I'm thinking of outside sales staff.

[Cory Scheuer]

as a business person myself... yes i would love to be able to get an email while on a call... i use my BB for both personal and business so if i am on a hour long call with family i would love to be able to reply to an email that comes in

[Shaun]

Wouldn't this go beyond email during a phone call? I use JiveTalk heavily to keep in touch with my employees, contractors and various associates, and it would be nice to be able to continue chats while on the phone, especially a phone call taking place via Bluetooth.

My job is 99% office remote, and I deal with many clients via email and phone, I have it happen 2-3 -per day- that a client sends an email during a phone call that relates to the phone call (ie. updated quotes, screen captures, pricing calculators, etc.). The data tx while on a call is at the top of my short list for reasons to get a Bold.

[KeyLoveMobile]

Originally Posted by Cory Scheuer

as a business person myself... yes i would love to be able to get an email while on a call... i use my BB for both personal and business so if i am on a hour long call with family i would love to be able to reply to an email that comes in

Correct me if I'm wrong... if I'm on a call now with my 8320 on EDGE, are data services interrupted? I don't get mail/can't use data while on the phone?

If that's the case, and 3G allows data services to continue uninterrupted, then I take back what I said, and can see the value to business for the Bold over the Javelin.

That given, I see even less reason why RIM would want to release another GSM device without 3G capability. Isn't "always-on" the key to BB over other devices, so "always-on-except-during-calls" would be something they'd want to avoid?

[KeyLoveMobile]

Originally Posted by Mikeypants

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KeyLoveMonile, that is correct. Only with 3G can you have simultaneous voice and data connections.

Just to confirm, if I'm on an ssh session, and I get all call, the session will get dropped (assuming the call is long enough)? So Jivetalk, etc also lose connectivity?

What impact does that have on WiFi connections?

[jenz]

if i'm correct - i have an 8820 - i still keep my data connection live (wifi) while i'm on a phone call (EDGE). i can test tonight to make sure but do *think* the dual mode (assuming one is wifi) work this way.

[carsmovies]

Originally Posted by KeyLoveMobile

Just to confirm, if I'm on an ssh session, and I get all call, the session will get dropped (assuming the call is long enough)? So Jivetalk, etc also lose connectivity?

What impact does that have on WiFi connections?

Yes you will loose all data related connection through GPRS/EDGE but if on wifi I think the connection stays on. Now let's get back on topic about when the bold will be released on Rogers.

[Shaun]

If I am on a series of calls that are all over 4-5 minutes, I will logout, and then log back into JiveTalk. I have had associates ask why I login/logout so much, when really its me losing Data TX while on calls.

[cspec]

omy... i want the phone now ahhhhhh
lets go to rogers and hijack them and give them out to all the bbf people